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    I assume that at least one of Joule and Turnov is an active person, otherwise he would have given the leadership to any of those persons. I fear that Ashley understood the roe of the sleepless wrong since Pearl only knows whether at least one person is active. First, this should have been the case every night. Second, this doesn't hint towards wolf but also to important roles in the village. Thus, I don't think that Pearl used that knowledge actively but only decided according to his evaluations.

    Oh yes, as I said it's my first time with the sleepless and I missinterpretated the role description. But however, it doesn't change much.

    I'm unsure what to think. Turnov will be lynched anyway, but maybe we need to discuss the remaining persons? Caboose, Buffy and Ashley. I would be eager to know what their team is at the moment. Actually, I would also be interested in everyone's opinion in this regard.

    I would still see no team in Turnov and Caboose. I don't see your reason for a Wrench townie actually.

    If I need a third wolf I would be on Buffy for some reasons.

    For example at the second lynch there was a situation he had three votes on him and all of them are from villagers/thirt parties and I don't see a reason why a werewolf shouldn't go on him if he is a villager. But all in all it's still more exclusion than that my own opinion, I still liked his play in this game so far.

    Just so you know, since I'm not super motivated to put more effort in this already lost game, I'm just saying

    VOTE: Turnov and bye.

    I can feel with you in this point. But I think, especially if Turnov is really a wolf, we have a chance.

    Do you think that rereading Pearl gives any information? Sounds complicated to get something out of that.:/

    I have to say the sleepless is an interesting role. I have never played with her before. If I understand it right Pearl knows the activity from the people up and down her and only people who are allways active are werewolfes.

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    I am really unsure what to do, but I think I will go for VOTE:Ruhrgold

    I think the reaction of Joule before we knew that he was a wolf, made her a villager. I think she should be quite safe now, unless she is really good in faking that and call a lynch neutral where a wolf comes out in the end.

    I can't really follow your thoughts. Rusty might be a wolve (although I am asking myself why he wouldn't be able to participate more as a wolf in the game instead of not being able to get into it better... I mean being a wolf is hard but you have teammates that can help ya and there should be always something to say even with less time. ). What I don't understand is how you think that Joule could be a wolve? Her posts seem quite logical to me and maybe the one before the lynch can be faked but the rest? I am thinking a lot about her and Electra since I am unsure whether both of them might be good in manipulating others and doing unpredictable things, but for me yesterday evening and their posts speaks for them being a villager. Probably I am now a more favourite of Electra than joule ( yesterday was the other way around), but I do think that Joule is positive.

    So villagers for today: Joule, Electra, wrench, Dinah, Ashley,

    I think I will go for VOTE:Rusty
    Allthough I think I am really wrong with that. I really should vote earlier to not be the one who has to decide

    Why can't Joule be a wolve?

    I also realised that now. When I wrote my post yesterday and reflected my thoughts about the four possible lynches that had some votes, I was also thinking that I have some points for Turnov and I really wish I would have relied on them. I mean there nearly couln't have been a worser candidate for the lynch then Rusty.
    But Ruhrgold did not criticise Turnov weird thoughts he just laught about them. For some reason I felt unsure there yesterday and I am still not sure which of my first impressions I should follow. I will let you know when I come to a conclusion.

    For a start, I have been thinking a lot about Joule and I will think more about her today since she seems really hard to categorise. I haven't reread her completely yet, but so far I haven't found a definite villager sign and probably there is none. But I started to go through Ruhrgold again. Ruhrgolds first evaluation that he did was about Joule... which made me really sceptical. All in all he only left an opinion on Joule, Greaseball (but unsure), Electra, said something to Dinah and asked her about me, and he didn't liked Ashleys first vote. If Joule is a villager he only had positive feelings about three villager and a negative one about Ashley who also voted him... It is possible for a wolve to only say something and interact with five villager ( including dinah as a third party). The way I would assume Ruhrgold plays, I don't really think that the first thing he does is saying on saturday morning his co wolve Joule seems to be a villager. But this is the only thing I can actually get out of Ruhrgold and that he criticised Ashleys first vote on Rusty. If I remember correctly, Ruhrgold was not the first player criticising Ashleys start so he was kind of swimming with the crowd here or am I wrong? Ashley just started in a unusual way, I would say it gives Ashley a villager point that he criticised one of her first actions. On the other hand protecting Ashley would not have fitted to the unsure way he presented himself. But he could have just said nothing aswell and thats what is probably more likely in case Ashley would be co-wolf. Not sure about that though.
    -> Ruhrgold seems to set Ashley and Joule in a rather villager light would be my conclusions at the moment. But I might not weight that too much since I am quite unsure on that so far. At least it gives a first direction.

    What did you like so much about Joule on that post btw?

    MHm iirc Caboose had Turnov already longer as a suspicious person and not really another one so negative. Correct me if I am worng but I found it logical that this was the only person he could have voted. I am anyway thinking that there are some leveling wolves here since the situation for them besides the Ruhdgold lynch doesn't look too bad, depending on who they are and how much.

    But that would mean that Joule, Caboose, Turnov and flattop are the wolves... of which I am not sure.

    And I am not convinced by wrench. Sorry to say that but I still consider him. At least depending on whether we will find a wolf today or not. I really hope we do, otherwise this game is gonna get worse. There is also still a point where I am doubting about Joule but I guess there are other candidates first that will be more likely werewolves.

    It's nice that Joule wants to vote with us but I am not sure how I should evaluate that

    Well technically anyone of us could be? I was also thinking about that, but it doesn't matter much since there are many reasons why not to go on Turnov.

    I mean we can question coco but in the end it is still us who decided aswell. I changed my vote and coco would have also voted on Turnov if I would have stayed there. But I was unsure and I am still. It gets easier when we have another wolf who leaves informations for us. But well it can easily happen that we get the wrong person. I will try to figure out who might have been manipulating today. We don't know whether Turnov is a wolf. I mean there is still the possibility of Ashley, Joule and whoever to be the wolves.

    You have a point but I rather believe in Joule being evil than coco.


    I have just quoted some quotes of Pearl about her neighbors.

    Joule allways have been her neighbor. At day 1 and 2 she defended him really constant so I have been sure she scanned her as a good one, but on day 3 she was one of the less people who had really doubts about her. I don't really know what I should do with this information.

    More interesting are her downside neighbors. First of all it was Ruhrgold, she killed him on day 1, but she was saying that she doubts about him. Her new neighbor after his lynch was Rusty, also an allways active special role (WM). She also killed him. And yesterday she voted for a long time for Turnov, than she changed to . She haven't say so much to him, but I also don't see any sign about a good role so far.

    Todays lynch should be VOTE:Turnov in my opinion.

    In my opinion a second wolf would be Wrench. Caboose doesn't really fit to Turnov, also I feel a little bit he's excited about the game. Buffy and Joule are my most likely villagers, if I ignore the seeing roles. With Joule I have no idea, what to do with the informations from Pearl, but she will definitely not be my lynch today. I thought a long time about the Coco-helper-idea, but if she really is a helper we would have allready lost in my opinion, so I will ignore this paranoia.

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    Stand Tag 5

    Turnov (2): Joule, Ashley

    Verbleibende Zeit: 06:57:44

    I would be especially interested in a reaction from Flat Top

    I'm not really happy that Coco's opinion is so different from mine! I guess I will eventually have to follow, but it leaves a bad feeling.

    I have a similiar problem with Cocos opinions to Wrench and Turnov

    I understand the thoughts she have about them, but I still don't see a village there both of them are good.

    Ashley : Is there a team exclusion you had that is still relevant in this stage of the game?

    I still see no team between Buffy and Flat Top and between Caboose and Turnov.

    As Caboose as well as Flat Top also seem really focused on the other one and I still try to see the motivation for it.

    It's not so difficult to understand it about Turnov, because his game would fit for a evil one really good, but the more I read about him I have the feeling it's his one special playing character. But that's okay and I think it doesn't say much about his role. And even if i took another yardstick for him, I still don't see a reason for a villager. But on the other side Caboose is really not a certain villager for me.

    Between Buffy and Flat Top I'm really undecided. I often have moments where I saw things from Buffy, I wouldn't exspect from a werewolf. Flat Top was at same points sypathic on his way. Yesterday evening I saw Buffy really noteworthy, today it's less and at the moment I would tend to him of the two.

    But this exclusions are really basic for my estimation and if they are right and we have three wolfes, which we should still have, it would mean that one of you and Wrench would be a wolf and i do me hard with this. I really liked your game and there are also less points against Wrenchs play so far.

    From to two exclusions I also thought about Caboose / Flat Top, whether Caboose just could be annoyed from Turnov as his cowolf. But not sure whether he is the character for this. If yes it would fit for me, but I doubt that it is so easy.

    I'm sure you have allready said something about him, but what was your opinion to Flat Top?

    That's funny, because it's exactly same argumentation, why I'm on Wrench.

    What do you mean with first lynch on Joule?

    This is a very early statement of Flat Top. Would she take this opportunity to already drag down one of her teammates who was not criticised by anyone else at this point? Maybe. In my opinion, the least likely scenario here is Flat Top wolf and Wrench villager, since the criticism is rather on point and quite original

    I would say in general it is possible to say this to a message, but it's much more probably that they are not in a team.

    But it also referends to the first Wrench and I can understand critic on this one. The second one plays better in my eyes.

    that "really" is kind of strong, given the fact that Ashley never voted for Caboose afterwards. I don't like it. Also the story-part of this accusation is a bit distracting. I have to read Cabooses reaction to that again (I think I didn't quote it)

    This was really in my beginning, I see. In the quote you don't see that there was a joke about the musical in. I explained it later iirc.

    I really often thought about voting Caboose, especially at the middle of day 2. But I still don't think he's wolf with Turnov and Turnov has for me the best condicions to be one. And it would be a little bit complicated to find a team with him, maybe with Wrench and Flat Top, but I'n not persuaded of this one, for example because of what you said over this.

    Here, Wrench gives quite a strong and unrelativized statement about Flat Top (who was not mentioned by others that much at this point). If Wrench is a werewolf, Flat Top might be more likely to be villager.

    Why do you think that a werewolf couldn't say (such) a strong sentence to another?

    wait, who said sth. like this?

    Another one has buffy been for example.

    I liked the critic of Buffy about the not-voters

    btw i didn't realize that Volta was a forest guy

    I took some time to think about this, but I don't really have much choice but to vote for Turnov. I couldn't vote again, but I really don't like that. Sorry Turnov for voting you when your absent :shy

    VOTE:Turnov

    Hm, Caboose would have the choice for Rusty and Volta, both villagers, but he decided to stay on Turnov.

    now I wanna vote Caboose. Can you understand my thooughts?

    Please explain. I saw his quote out of a later perspective, so it's something different like your live intension. If I would have read this live, I can imagine I would also find this bad.

    I really like the way Joule was playing in post #274

    Ruhrgold-buffy I would say its more likely that Buffy for some reason just liked him or his introduction as a villager than really as a wolve. Since as a wolve most people are more careful and usually only put a cowolve saver if there are reasons for that. Buffy seemed at that point not really like a person that actually thought very long about that opinion and how she could justify her thoughts. Which makes it for me a bit more likely hat buffy is not a teammate to Ruhrgold. I see her anyway not too bad so far I think. She reminds me of some players that usually just write whatever they are thinking no matter whether it could be suspicious or not.

    I have to say that Buffy also remember me to a good-known player style and so far there have been some situations I think you can see that he really has his own mind.

    Well depending on the conditions but in some games I found it easier to get into when I was a werewolve than as a villager. But it really depends on the content and anonymous games are anyway special and more difficult.
    Well villagers can have unique thoughts or feeling and are usually not swimming with all the others. Even if the conclusions are teh same, that someone is a villager, usually the reasons for that are a bit different. But I guess its hard to say and probably not even possible to really devide here between rather wolve-like or villager-like behaviour in a usual game since this is special.

    I don't know how you are, but sometimes it makes also for a villager sense to use swarm intelligence and to go with the main perspective, if they don't disagree with your own opinion. Because to interpret texts it's allways good to have more views, because you get much more outcome.

    On the other way if you feel that the common meaning hardly disagree with your opinion, it's important to rethink the own thoughts and scrutinize the others.

    I know this is a really shitty move and I already want to apologize, but I'm just most comfortable with VOTE:Turnov right now.

    I can understand it to be honest. I never understood why people if they want to excuse them not are able to write a short sentence about it in the thread, so that the others can better classify it. And so or so I don't feel pleased with Turnovs play so far.

    i agree on that, so do you think it also speaks for caboose as villager? atleast for me he also seemed very self centered today

    Hm, I'm not sure about the relationship between Carboose and Buffy here.

    In a certain way they are both self centered yes, but you also said Buffy seem confident and Carboose is it really not.

    Carboose is also a difficult one. He seemed for me more in the play yesterday evening, but also really caught on Turnov.

    three persons I don't trust on Buffy? Interesting!

    STILL WAITING FOR PEARL!!!!

    Hm, but two of them are not wolfes and there is still flat top.

    But I found him not really teamy with Ruhrgold since Ruhrgold reacted to his assumption that the mans in this game are the werewolves with a comment and some smileys. But I guess thats only a small reason. But still why should he say he believes in male werewolves when he is one and at least his character male aswell?

    Does not really fit for me. Although this is kind of my most suspicious person

    Don't know but if I'm werewolf and another wolf makes rubbish, I like to use sarcasm to critize him on a natural way. And there are also some other player I saw it so far. At the other side from Turnov to Rheingold, I think it would fit as a team.

    These actions just don't make any sense from a wolf's point of view.

    Do you meant Rustys action at this point?

    Thats quite wolf-like imo.

    I wont doubt Pearl the next ~2 days either way.

    yeah, this was also my reaction when I'm reading this.

    in my view only villagers voted for Rusty. So we need to analyse the lynch in this context. All other candidates were in moderate danger. I'll do this tomorrow I guess.

    Who from the voted people do you think is a wolf?

    To the other side I liked the activity of Buffy at the night.

    I wasn't here the last two nights, but often villagers are active around the lynch.

    I agree that Pearl and Coco are most likely the scans.
    So, now we are probably looking for 3 or more evil people among 9. To be precise, I'm actually looking for two good people among 6 right now. Buffy, Wrench, Caboose, Ashley, Flat Top and Turnov. At the moment I would go for Ashley and Caboose, but I don't think that's correct, solely based on the probabilities.
    VOTE: Turnov for now.

    If you are right, I'm a little bit confused about the Electra NK. I liked her play really much to, but Coco and Pearl also made a good game in my eyes and I don't understand why they don't eat them.

    I don't really see a Turnov and Cabosse Team and I also don't really see a Buffy and a Flat Top Team, so I'm thinking about there is a werewolf between you and Wrench. And if have to decide here I would be more on Wrench as a wolf.

    If I ignore all this teamexclusions I would say the wolfes are Caboose, Turnov and Flat Top.

    It seems like it all boils down to a Wrench werewolf for me. This way, a lot of things make more sense to me.

    I'm going to sleep now, I really hope we can start solving the game tomorrow.

    yes, the same. I really like his play so far, but maybe it's a little bit unassailable and I don't really have teamexlusions on him.

    Im sorry but to be honest- I don't have an opinion on caboose or turnov. It's probably because i didn't really interacted with them somehow. Volta was the same .... but that is not really relevant anymore i guess

    Hm okay. But do you think there is a werewolf?

    Yes, thanks, this is helpful. But I meant more the way to go in the game.

    The differences between our assesments is not as big as I thought I see know.

    I'm unsure about a Buffy wolf so far. Do you think he would make sense in combination with Wrench and Turnov?

    And I also liked Joules play so far. Hope I'm right here, would be difficult to find her.

    What has encouraged your fantasy?

    The really often and controverse inputs he brings and the active way of game creating. But yes, I have no wolf team without him or you.

    I also see at this point (and you can see it in my post, because I wrote chonological and didn't change anything) that Flat Top has in many points similar opinions. I like that.

    At the moment I would vote VOTE:Wrench

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    Stand Tag 4

    Buffy (1): Flat Top

    Turnov (1): Joule

    Wrench (1): Ashley

    Verbleibende Zeit: 09:40:42

    Furthermore I dont have a negative tendency towards Turnov so far.

    I'm a little bit surprised that I heard now allready sometimes, that the people don't see Turnov as a werewolf, because he's one of the guys where I can imagine me a wolf good. Is where something I overlooked so far in his game?

    Beside of this I think I would actually vote on VOTE:Volta

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    Stand Tag 3

    Rusty (1): Coco

    Volta (2): Electra, Ashley

    Verbleibende Zeit: 02:53:54

    I can only tell you again. I have no clue. You may have noticed, that I only react to post about me. I try to get somehow in the game and when it's about me, I at least feel a little bit confident enough to answer. Yesterday i wished to be killed (that's why I didn't vote) so you don't have to drag me through this game. But I made up my mind and I should at least try, right? So my goal for today ist not to be killed. And tbh, this is the only thing I will try today. I won't try to find a wolf, maybe I'll be able to do tomorrow.

    What is tomorrow other than today? ^^

    I think it's not wrong to be a little bit more confident and I also think you're able to find the clues if you search it.

    But how do you work in your previous games than I'm allowed to ask?

    untypical for who or what? xD a villager, a wolf, my as a person?

    Untypical for a cowolf


    I'm sorry, I can't give you that right now. I'm really clueless, so almost everyone is in a white fog of nothing in my mind.

    Still on day 2? This is irritating.

    But okay, let's specify it:

    Exercise 1: Order the following people from village to wolf: Wrench, Dinah, Joule, Coco.

    Exercise 2: Write a short story about the relationship of Flat Top and Buffy.

    Exercise 3: Say me whether there is an even or an uneven count of wolfes under Turnov, Rusty, Volta.

    numerating people. Not arguments.

    You named people, who were on the same level like me, whose you could attack the way like you did me, too.

    I can show it later, what I exactly mean. Maybe you can put some light into it.

    I've understand what you mean. I'm not sure whether the list was from me, but the only one who has been on the same level as you at this moment was Volta and yes to took her was also a possibility.

    just to clarify, but theres also nothing special that speaks for a wolf or?

    No. In which of the players you have special reasons which speaks for a wolf?

    For example I also had no special reason to vote Ruhrgold yesterday. I thought he would fit good for a werewolf, so let's try. That I vote people with a special reason is less common for me than to look for who are no arguments against a werewolf. But of course I have also villager or wolf feelings, I recognize.

    that was mean. I cried a lot.

    I don't even get why you said that at that point? Dou you just wanted to call out silly/inactive people? What is your thought behind that here? It just make sense for me if you want to put them into the focus and i don't like the way you do that.

    Oh come on, no reason to cry.

    Why silly? No I don't think anyone I voted is silly.

    But is it so unnormal here to vote people? At the place I'm normally playing I wouldn't really stand out with this play, because it's standard there.

    I think it's just necessary in a certain way to show the people where your lynch preferences are.

    And I also don't like to vote especially active people, because I prefer to finish people who I have problems to read.

    And with you to read I had today the biggest problems. Still btw.

    @all If you want yo can talk to me now. I would appreciate that

    I want. What's your opinion about Turnov, Volta and Caboose?

    Thats great! I would have wondered otherwise.

    It's not self-evident to have internet in a train these days :ugly:

    omg, tbh I have completely forgotten, that I have said that. Sheesh...if I were you, I would lynch myself. Were is your vote? Why aren't you voting me? Would be the only logical thing to do from my point of view. xD

    Untypical reaction to Flat Top

    I like that post from Flat Top. Seems totally authentic and motivated

    Authentic or even more characteristic?

    I don't know. He seems to have a really different view on the game in many points.


    Wait a second.

    Besides i don't like the question at the end ashleys vote...

    And i read it again. I'm not completly convinced they can not be a team. They seam to trust each other very much at that point.Nd it could be agreed to act like that.

    But i wouldn't lay my hands in the fire for that. I am not convinced by coco as a wolf atm.

    I know it's about myself, but I don't think you will find a point on this way.

    I understood, what Coco meant and I'm sure that you have allready seen it, that new people or undercover people sometimes have really good views, because they aren't in any confrontations so far and look objective on a game. I don't want to say that about me, but often your first intentions are right and in this game I have about the character of this game absolutely zero prejudices you know.

    Oh, I like that Electra asked Buffy after his current wolf, the question allready stand here.

    I'm not sure about that, but I think I don't want to vote Buffy today. I have enough fantasy for a villager here at the moment.

    But whoever said that my vote was pure luck, thats not nice at all! Especially since half of the people that person listet, I would not have votet. Nevertheless, I wasn't sure with Ruhrgold, but I can ensure you that I was thinking about everything quite long so that my vote was not out of the blue. But I did not liked ashleys vote there to be honest. Today she is doing better than yesterday but I am still a bit unsure.

    Hm okay, I'm surprised about that. It felt so far that you trust me and votet because of this on Ruhrgold.

    I would suggest to first vote for Turnov

    yes, Turnov is a hot candidate for the lynch today for me still.

    I would like to get an estimation from you, Caboose.

    Can me say somebody some striking point about Dinah. She's a little bit out of my focus today.

    Furtermore I like Flat tops actual activity, Wrench posts today I liked.